Azn Marky Mark (1:12:19 AM): hi
Azn Marky Mark (1:12:32 AM): it's idiocon
LaskaS2Z (1:12:33 AM): hi
Azn Marky Mark (1:12:36 AM): I wanted to know about the proof you had?
LaskaS2Z (1:12:47 AM): I had somebody who was in one of your convos tell me about it
LaskaS2Z (1:12:52 AM): im not telling you their name
LaskaS2Z (1:12:59 AM): but i also had somebody else confirm it
Azn Marky Mark (1:13:16 AM): can you post part of this convo? to confirm you actually have the chatlog?
LaskaS2Z (1:13:25 AM): just check your own logs
LaskaS2Z (1:13:53 AM): i wasnt 100% sure this person was telling the truth at the start to be honest
Azn Marky Mark (1:13:56 AM): that doesn't prove YOU have them though
LaskaS2Z (1:14:01 AM): but sloth confirmed it for me
LaskaS2Z (1:14:03 AM): "Sloth says:
Well she's always part of the conversations, just like I am."
LaskaS2Z (1:14:20 AM): "Sloth says:
Not so much in their defense as for clarification: they've said as many or more good things about you as bad."
LaskaS2Z (1:14:47 AM): i was copy and pasted a few things, and told who was involved
LaskaS2Z (1:15:04 AM): hence why i banned ding.. i didnt realise that ding wasnt actually participating in it, but was just a bystander
Azn Marky Mark (1:15:32 AM): but then you were told who was involved as second hand information
Azn Marky Mark (1:15:39 AM): and again, if i can't see these logs, i don't know you have them
LaskaS2Z (1:15:40 AM): yep
Azn Marky Mark (1:16:00 AM): is sloth supposed to be your second source?
LaskaS2Z (1:16:02 AM): oh, so its a case of "Yeah, I spokebad about you, but unless you have 100% proof, I want to bitch and moan"
LaskaS2Z (1:16:06 AM): third
Azn Marky Mark (1:16:25 AM): no, it's not a case of that
LaskaS2Z (1:16:25 AM): i've had another leopets user tell me that your group or whatever has said nasty stuff about me
LaskaS2Z (1:16:32 AM): it seems like that to me
Azn Marky Mark (1:16:37 AM): it's a case of you accusing us of things we haven't seen proof of yet
Azn Marky Mark (1:16:43 AM): so far you've oly said you have "sources" and "chatlogs"
Azn Marky Mark (1:16:46 AM): but you haven't gone into details
Azn Marky Mark (1:16:53 AM): i could say the very same about you badmouthing me
Azn Marky Mark (1:16:57 AM): that an anonymous source told me
LaskaS2Z (1:17:05 AM): right
Azn Marky Mark (1:17:20 AM): without anything more detailed, it's all things that could be easily made up
Azn Marky Mark (1:17:28 AM): the only way to prove you actually have these conversations is to post a little of them
LaskaS2Z (1:17:59 AM): right, well take it as made up stuff then. does it matter either way? you know what you said, and have done nothing to try and convince me otherwise
Azn Marky Mark (1:18:12 AM): that's the thing, I DON'T know what i said
LaskaS2Z (1:18:26 AM): do you think i just woke up one morning and thought OH LETS BAN IDIOCON
Azn Marky Mark (1:18:30 AM): and you're banning me without even telling me
Azn Marky Mark (1:18:40 AM): as far as i know, yes, because you aren't offering proof otherwise
LaskaS2Z (1:19:18 AM): k
LaskaS2Z (1:19:20 AM): believe that then
Azn Marky Mark (1:19:28 AM): but that's not a resolution to this
LaskaS2Z (1:19:37 AM): you dont want to come back to leo
LaskaS2Z (1:19:42 AM): so why the hell should i search through my chat logs to find it?
LaskaS2Z (1:19:47 AM): its a waste of time
Azn Marky Mark (1:19:55 AM): because you are accusing me and my friend sof things you haven't proven
LaskaS2Z (1:20:00 AM): we're clearly not friends, or were ever friends apparantly.. so why should i care?
Azn Marky Mark (1:20:44 AM): first of all, i thought we were friends, but more importantly, that's not an issue here
Azn Marky Mark (1:20:47 AM): this is about bans
Azn Marky Mark (1:20:50 AM): not friendship
Azn Marky Mark (1:20:56 AM): unless you were banning me because i'm not your friend
Azn Marky Mark (1:20:59 AM): that's the only way the two connect
LaskaS2Z (1:21:02 AM): well if we were friends, why have i had somebody tell me that you've been calling me a powerhungry b itch?
Azn Marky Mark (1:21:11 AM): haha, is that what they said?
Azn Marky Mark (1:21:21 AM): can i please see these chatlogs? that looks really made up
LaskaS2Z (1:21:23 AM): why the hell would somebody make that up?
Azn Marky Mark (1:21:41 AM): is that is a direct quote? "powerhungry bitch"?
Azn Marky Mark (1:21:45 AM): and if they didn't like me
Azn Marky Mark (1:21:49 AM): or wanted to hurt your feelings
LaskaS2Z (1:21:53 AM): apparantly they're one of your friends
LaskaS2Z (1:22:07 AM): and apparantly one of the people who were banned said that
Azn Marky Mark (1:22:17 AM): you keep saying "apparently" but you aren't offering any proof
Azn Marky Mark (1:24:52 AM): Laska all we want is proof of the things you are accusing us of; we're more than happy to stay out of your hair and away from leopets if you want us to after you give it to us
LaskaS2Z (1:25:15 AM): wait.. so you're blackmailing me? you're saying, you're going to harrass me or something until i give it to you?
LaskaS2Z (1:25:23 AM): you just wanna know who the mole is?
Azn Marky Mark (1:25:32 AM): no, i'm not blackmailing you
Azn Marky Mark (1:25:36 AM): i'm not saying we'll bothe ryou
Azn Marky Mark (1:25:40 AM): i'm saying we can just end this peacefully
Azn Marky Mark (1:25:50 AM): and we can all walk away from it without any more squabbling
Azn Marky Mark (1:25:56 AM): i don't even need to know who the mole is
Azn Marky Mark (1:25:59 AM): just that you have these chatlogs at all
LaskaS2Z (1:26:01 AM): so my feelings can stay hurt, but you can feel all happy because you know everything?
LaskaS2Z (1:26:16 AM): copy and pasted parts of conversations, not exactly logs
Azn Marky Mark (1:26:27 AM): it's proof enough that you would have them
Azn Marky Mark (1:26:36 AM): and I'm sorry your feelings are hurt, but that's separate from the issue at hand here
Azn Marky Mark (1:26:42 AM): I'm talking about the proof for the bans
LaskaS2Z (1:26:46 AM): no
LaskaS2Z (1:26:50 AM): its not a seperate issue
Azn Marky Mark (1:26:52 AM): unless you were banning just based entirely on your feelings
LaskaS2Z (1:26:55 AM): it's the entire issue
LaskaS2Z (1:27:19 AM): if i wasnt hurt by what your stupid group had been saying about me, i wouldnt see fit to ban you
LaskaS2Z (1:27:59 AM): i dont care when people dont talk to me/about me/leave me alone/etc
LaskaS2Z (1:28:05 AM): but talking crap about me
LaskaS2Z (1:28:08 AM): especially diana
LaskaS2Z (1:28:11 AM): who i gave mehu too
Azn Marky Mark (1:28:24 AM): can we talk about what was said then? i can't explain myself or anything until i know what happened
LaskaS2Z (1:36:41 AM): 0:31am): There was this "Leo would be alot better if she would stop being such a power hungry bitch all the time"
LaskaS2Z (1:36:49 AM): 2am): and then this "If you don't pretend to like her and the staff she'll think of a reason to ban you anyway"
LaskaS2Z (1:37:16 AM): LaskaS2Z (10:32am): Who was saying that?
Azn Marky Mark (1:37:34 AM): these are direct quotes right?
LaskaS2Z (1:38:00 AM): copy and pasted from what somebody else copy and pasted
Azn Marky Mark (1:38:19 AM): wait, so you're banning us based on 3rd hand sources?
LaskaS2Z (1:39:19 AM): no
LaskaS2Z (1:39:21 AM): that's not 3rd hand
LaskaS2Z (1:39:24 AM): 2nd hand duh
Azn Marky Mark (1:41:39 AM): secondhand, then, sorry
LaskaS2Z (1:42:06 AM): so you want to confirm that you're not interested in coming back?
Azn Marky Mark (1:42:16 AM): i don't believe these logs are real
Azn Marky Mark (1:42:57 AM): there has to be something else in the log that's less generic
Azn Marky Mark (1:43:02 AM): those are all things anyone could've said
Azn Marky Mark (1:43:42 AM): and it could've come from just one person, i don't see why all 6 had to be banned?
LaskaS2Z (1:43:50 AM): you want me to get further logs when they get back online?
LaskaS2Z (1:44:01 AM): because you were all joining in
LaskaS2Z (1:44:06 AM): except for ding it seems
Azn Marky Mark (1:44:10 AM): yes, i do want more logs
Azn Marky Mark (1:44:27 AM): none of this sounds familiar
Azn Marky Mark (1:44:48 AM): can you post the sns of who said what you just quoted?
LaskaS2Z (1:44:53 AM): fine
Azn Marky Mark (1:44:55 AM): if we said them then we should already know who we are
Azn Marky Mark (1:45:06 AM): so it's not divulging anything, like the identity of the persoon who told you
Azn Marky Mark (1:45:10 AM): just the identity of the banned party
LaskaS2Z (1:45:13 AM): they asked not to have their name given out, so im not going to do that
Azn Marky Mark (1:45:33 AM): no the names of the people who said "powerhungry bitch" and "liking your staff" and etc.
LaskaS2Z (1:45:37 AM): ah
LaskaS2Z (1:45:41 AM): alright i'll get that stuff
Azn Marky Mark (1:46:26 AM): you said the person who ratted was banned right?
LaskaS2Z (1:46:38 AM): may or may not have
Azn Marky Mark (1:48:22 AM): if they were banned, then can we have the identity? all 5 of the banned party agreed to this, so even if they previously didn't want their identity revealed, they are OK with it now
Azn Marky Mark (1:48:28 AM): you could even IM them all personally to confirm this
Azn Marky Mark (1:48:56 AM): LaskaS2Z (1:21:53 AM): apparantly they're one of your friends
LaskaS2Z (1:22:07 AM): and apparantly one of the people who were banned said that
Azn Marky Mark (1:49:01 AM): so it should be OK right?
LaskaS2Z (1:53:27 AM): what i might do, is install aim, then just people everyone in the one room together, and let you all fight out what is the truth or not
Azn Marky Mark (1:53:58 AM): that seems like a lot of hassle when we've all already agreed to have you divulge the name
Azn Marky Mark (1:54:03 AM): because you'd have to download things
Azn Marky Mark (1:54:07 AM): and we need a new chatroom
Azn Marky Mark (1:54:11 AM): i don't see why you can't just tell us
LaskaS2Z (1:54:30 AM): er, whos agreed? your group says i have to divulge the name? lol
LaskaS2Z (1:54:35 AM): i dont need to do anything
Azn Marky Mark (1:55:13 AM): I'm saying the reason you weren't saying who ratted before was because they told you not to right? Then you said they were one of the 6 people banned, and I've confirmed with all 6 that they are OK with having their name named if it was them.
Azn Marky Mark (1:55:17 AM): so you have no reason to not tell us anymore
LaskaS2Z (1:56:09 AM): actually i dont remember saying they were banned.. why would i ban them when they told me about it?
LaskaS2Z (1:56:09 AM): er i dont think that made sense
Azn Marky Mark (1:56:45 AM): I don't know, you were the one who said it
Azn Marky Mark (1:56:46 AM): LaskaS2Z (1:21:53 AM): apparantly they're one of your friends
LaskaS2Z (1:22:07 AM): and apparantly one of the people who were banned said that
Azn Marky Mark (1:56:49 AM): I'm just taking your word here
LaskaS2Z (1:57:05 AM): ah i think you misunderstood me
Azn Marky Mark (1:57:10 AM): what did you mean then?
LaskaS2Z (1:57:43 AM): when i was talking about the powerhungry bitch thing
LaskaS2Z (1:57:49 AM): one of the people who were banned said that
Azn Marky Mark (1:57:54 AM): who said it?
LaskaS2Z (1:58:01 AM): said that i was powerhungry, not that they had told me somebody else said i was powerhungry
Azn Marky Mark (1:58:56 AM): who said that powerhungry line?
LaskaS2Z (1:59:18 AM): all i was told, was that it was of your group
LaskaS2Z (1:59:22 AM): in a group chat
Azn Marky Mark (1:59:23 AM): so you don't even know?
Azn Marky Mark (1:59:37 AM): all of this is just chatlogs without screen names/
Azn Marky Mark (1:59:38 AM): *?
LaskaS2Z (1:59:51 AM): does it matter?
LaskaS2Z (2:00:00 AM): i trust the person who told me that you were all saying it
Azn Marky Mark (2:00:02 AM): yes, it does, because without screennames how do we know it was us
LaskaS2Z (2:00:03 AM): things like that
LaskaS2Z (2:00:07 AM): it was one example
Azn Marky Mark (2:00:13 AM): it could be from any chatroom of any leopets gorup
LaskaS2Z (2:00:31 AM): even if it was
Azn Marky Mark (2:00:36 AM): if you didn't have names tagged on the chatlog, why ban specific people?
LaskaS2Z (2:00:38 AM): lets say this person is shitting
Azn Marky Mark (2:00:38 AM): 6 very specific people?
Azn Marky Mark (2:00:44 AM): based entirely on your second hand information?
LaskaS2Z (2:00:52 AM): why would sloth agree that you've been bad mouthing me?
Azn Marky Mark (2:00:53 AM): without the screen names this hardly even counts as a real chatlog
LaskaS2Z (2:01:20 AM): because i trust the other person more than i trust somebody who never talks to me, or never wants to contribute anything to leo without getting paid off some how
Azn Marky Mark (2:01:37 AM): are you talking about the angel draik?
Azn Marky Mark (2:01:54 AM): i had submitted all 4 of the orginal poses well expecting not to be paid for them
Azn Marky Mark (2:01:57 AM): I can prove it with screenies
Azn Marky Mark (2:02:01 AM): I was told I would be paid
Azn Marky Mark (2:02:09 AM): if i completed them
Azn Marky Mark (2:02:21 AM): and when I did complete them and asked for my reward, I didn't get it
Azn Marky Mark (2:02:27 AM): I don't care about the draik mp itself, just that I was lied to
Azn Marky Mark (2:03:09 AM): sloth said "badmouthing" in general, not about you
Azn Marky Mark (2:03:13 AM): and she never named names
Azn Marky Mark (2:03:24 AM): she's just saying we can all be jerks
LaskaS2Z (2:03:35 AM): i checked, and its not completed.. so nobody lied because the draik was never completed
Azn Marky Mark (2:03:48 AM): I sent Tina the completed poses a couple days ago
Azn Marky Mark (2:03:58 AM): i still have the mails in my inbox, you can check them
LaskaS2Z (2:04:35 AM): okay well im a bit confused about why they didnt get uploaded for a draik potion then
Azn Marky Mark (2:04:55 AM): I wouldn't be able to tell you that, in the mails Tina sent me she said they were
LaskaS2Z (2:05:11 AM): o_O
Azn Marky Mark (2:07:53 AM): This is getting offtopic though, I'd really like to return to the issue of the bans
Azn Marky Mark (2:08:04 AM): unless you had something more to ask about the angel draiks?
Azn Marky Mark (2:08:41 AM): also someone checked and told me the poses were indeed uploaded to the site?
Azn Marky Mark (2:08:50 AM): **weren't i'm sorry
LaskaS2Z (2:09:45 AM): the sad beaten and hit pose are the same, the ranged and close attack are the same
LaskaS2Z (2:09:49 AM): ahhh
Azn Marky Mark (2:10:37 AM): OK so can we go back to talking about the bans?
LaskaS2Z (2:10:50 AM): sure
Azn Marky Mark (2:11:33 AM): you had last said "because i trust the other person more than i trust somebody who never talks to me", does this mean my innocence is solely dependent on how close I am to you?
LaskaS2Z (2:12:16 AM): right now its your word against somebody elses
LaskaS2Z (2:12:25 AM): so what am i supposed to do?
LaskaS2Z (2:12:54 AM): i trust this other person more, because they've speak to me more.. thats generally how it works
Azn Marky Mark (2:13:21 AM): but you had previously said that you don't ban people unless there's absolute proof; I didn't think "he said, she said" arguments were considered solid proof
Azn Marky Mark (2:13:43 AM): no names were in the chatlog either
LaskaS2Z (2:13:46 AM): you were not permabanned (despite your lies that you told everyone)
Azn Marky Mark (2:13:57 AM): I had thought I was, that dA entry was made hours ago
Azn Marky Mark (2:14:02 AM): I wasn't lying, I was saying what I believed to be true
Azn Marky Mark (2:14:23 AM): if the chatlog doesn't have names, I can't really see how it actually still works as reliable source of evidence
LaskaS2Z (2:14:26 AM): a ban can very easily be undone.. which is what i figured would have been done if indeed it was a big misunderstanding.. the way you all acted seems very much like a guilty party..
Azn Marky Mark (2:14:27 AM): because you don't have our screen names
Azn Marky Mark (2:14:33 AM): all of that could very easily be forged
LaskaS2Z (2:15:01 AM): i do have your screennames
LaskaS2Z (2:15:03 AM): thats not the issue
Azn Marky Mark (2:15:22 AM): can i have the logs with the screennames?
LaskaS2Z (2:15:27 AM): alot of you most them on your lookups and such and have them linked from neopound profiles
LaskaS2Z (2:15:32 AM): thats not what you said
LaskaS2Z (2:15:37 AM): you said *I* dont have your screennames.. i do
Azn Marky Mark (2:15:54 AM): wait, so the logs really are without screenames?
LaskaS2Z (2:16:11 AM): have you not been reading what I've been saying dear?
LaskaS2Z (2:16:24 AM): in the last 10 minutes or so, have i been talking to a wall?
Azn Marky Mark (2:16:39 AM): then how can you be sure it's us that said these things?
Azn Marky Mark (2:16:47 AM): you're going completely based on 2nd hand information
Azn Marky Mark (2:16:53 AM): the chatlogs would have been solid proof
LaskaS2Z (2:16:54 AM): somebody approached me saying that they, and a group of people who they named as the banned people, had been saying nasty things about me
Azn Marky Mark (2:17:00 AM): but the most important part has been compromised
LaskaS2Z (2:17:04 AM): they apologised, and gave me some exampels
Azn Marky Mark (2:17:24 AM): that could very easily be framing
Azn Marky Mark (2:17:28 AM): without solid proof
Azn Marky Mark (2:17:32 AM): such as the screennames in the chatlog
LaskaS2Z (2:17:50 AM): but there is never 100% solid proof
LaskaS2Z (2:18:00 AM): screenies can be faked, logs faked, etc
LaskaS2Z (2:18:09 AM): so in a case like this it comes down to trust
Azn Marky Mark (2:18:35 AM): but chatlogs without screenames are such iffy proof that I don't see why you would take them at all?
Azn Marky Mark (2:18:40 AM): even if you trusted this person
LaskaS2Z (2:19:02 AM): if i knew 100% sure they were absolutely 100% correct, I would have permbanned you all.. did i? no
Azn Marky Mark (2:19:33 AM): right, and now I'm trying to clear this up
LaskaS2Z (2:19:57 AM): right
LaskaS2Z (2:20:15 AM): and now there's nothing i can do til the snitch gets back online, so i can ask for further proof
LaskaS2Z (2:20:21 AM): what else do you expect me to do right now?
Azn Marky Mark (2:20:22 AM): but it's difficult when the proof you're giving me is extremely vague and it looks like they are forged
Azn Marky Mark (2:21:15 AM): but if you have to ask for more proof to begin with, doesn't that mean you didn't have sufficient proof to ban us in the first place?
LaskaS2Z (2:22:43 AM): i didnt feel i had enough proof to permaban you, banning is temporary and a different matter
LaskaS2Z (2:23:20 AM): you're acting if i just permabanned your accounts without warning
Azn Marky Mark (2:23:27 AM): but you banned for a month
Azn Marky Mark (2:23:44 AM): And if it were that flimsy of a situation, there should never have been a ban. There should have been a warning, or you could have talked to us.
LaskaS2Z (2:23:45 AM): ding's ban didnt last a month
LaskaS2Z (2:24:14 AM): in *your* opinion there should never have been a ban. And you guys never talk to me. You're never on msn or come into chat anymore
Azn Marky Mark (2:24:39 AM): you could've leomailed us? we went on leopets every day
LaskaS2Z (2:24:47 AM): ding asked sloth to contact me and give her/his point of view straight away and that misunderstanding was cleared up every day
LaskaS2Z (2:25:15 AM): er
LaskaS2Z (2:25:22 AM): i dont know why i wrote every day.. i meant striaght away
LaskaS2Z (2:25:26 AM): *straight
Azn Marky Mark (2:26:23 AM): that still doesn't explain why you didn't leomail any of us?
LaskaS2Z (2:27:46 AM): i believed/believe the other person, so it was the way i went about it
LaskaS2Z (2:28:06 AM): you may disagree with the way i handled it, alot of people did agree with me, because i was talking about it in chat before it happened
Azn Marky Mark (2:28:08 AM): wait, so you didn't even bother to hear our side of it at all?
Azn Marky Mark (2:28:14 AM): or even warn us this was happening?
LaskaS2Z (2:28:18 AM): are you an idiot?
LaskaS2Z (2:28:18 AM): seriously
LaskaS2Z (2:28:24 AM): i'm listening to you now?
LaskaS2Z (2:28:28 AM): but you dont freaking care
LaskaS2Z (2:28:33 AM): all you want to do is paint me out to be the bad guy
Azn Marky Mark (2:28:37 AM): yeah but the thing is you've already banne dus
Azn Marky Mark (2:28:43 AM): this isn't you listening to us before the ban
Azn Marky Mark (2:28:44 AM): it's after
LaskaS2Z (2:28:54 AM): YEAH BUT OMG MAYBE YOU DIDNT THINK THAT MAYBE I WOULD LIKE UNBANN YOU LOLOLOLOL
LaskaS2Z (2:29:00 AM): im annoyed now
LaskaS2Z (2:29:01 AM): very annoyed
LaskaS2Z (2:29:03 AM): obviously
Azn Marky Mark (2:29:24 AM): I'm not trying to paint you out to be the bad guy, I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this
Azn Marky Mark (2:29:37 AM): because this isn't just me banned, this is 5 people
Azn Marky Mark (2:29:42 AM): for the same reason
LaskaS2Z (2:30:13 AM): they can contact me individually
Azn Marky Mark (2:31:37 AM): yes, they can, but the things I find out on my own wwill apply to them too, because they were all banned for the exact same thing
Azn Marky Mark (2:31:42 AM): so it's easier for everyone to just have one conversation
Azn Marky Mark (2:31:49 AM): but if you really want them to contact you themselves, that's fine too
Azn Marky Mark (2:31:57 AM): at least for my own part, then, I would like to find out what happened
LaskaS2Z (2:40:56 AM): are you honestly saying, that all of you who were banned, never said anything mean, nasty, etc about me?
Azn Marky Mark (2:42:31 AM): We vent about things when they upset us, but never have we said anything directly nasty or hurtful
Azn Marky Mark (2:42:36 AM): but the problem is, we were all banned for doing so
Azn Marky Mark (2:42:43 AM): and we still haven't seen any solid proof of this
Azn Marky Mark (2:43:02 AM): cosidering I think those chatlogs that you have right now are forged
LaskaS2Z (2:43:23 AM): and i'm going to ask for further logs when the snitch gets online. i said that already
LaskaS2Z (2:44:41 AM): im curious though, why do you care so much wen you're not planning on coming back to leo?
Azn Marky Mark (2:45:17 AM): it doesn't make sense a snitch would give logs without names though
Azn Marky Mark (2:45:21 AM): that's a lot of extra work for no reason
Azn Marky Mark (2:45:30 AM): considering they name the people concerned anyway
Azn Marky Mark (2:45:53 AM): and I care because you're telling people things about me and my friends that you have no proof of
Azn Marky Mark (2:45:55 AM): and I want it cleared up
LaskaS2Z (2:46:27 AM): well does that mean i can delete your accounts anyway? (since atm they're in limbo and taking up room for other people)
LaskaS2Z (2:46:43 AM): and hey.. i never said anything to other people about you
LaskaS2Z (2:46:59 AM): the entire thread was started by storm, and people came up with their own conclusions
LaskaS2Z (2:47:04 AM): now who's accusing who?
Azn Marky Mark (2:47:42 AM): I'm saying with the ban reason and everything
LaskaS2Z (2:48:55 AM): did you want me to change the ban reason to 'I've been told you've been saying nasty stuff about me?'
LaskaS2Z (2:49:01 AM): will that make you happy?
Azn Marky Mark (2:49:17 AM): the problem is you're still letting people think thi
Azn Marky Mark (2:49:18 AM): s
Azn Marky Mark (2:49:23 AM): when even you haven't gotten to the bottom of the matter
Azn Marky Mark (2:50:28 AM): not to mention without an actual news post, people are running wild with ideas
LaskaS2Z (2:50:31 AM): and you let people think that i permabanned you and that i wasnt willing to discuss it
LaskaS2Z (2:50:42 AM): im not going to put up a news post everytime i ban some one
Azn Marky Mark (2:50:50 AM): this wasn't one person, this was 6 people
Azn Marky Mark (2:50:58 AM): and I already said that dA entry was made hours ago
Azn Marky Mark (2:51:02 AM): when i thought i was permabanned
Azn Marky Mark (2:51:21 AM): not to mention I never said anything in it about you not willing to contact me
LaskaS2Z (2:51:22 AM): so
LaskaS2Z (2:51:24 AM): it still happened
Azn Marky Mark (2:51:33 AM): yes, but i'm not in the position of an admin
LaskaS2Z (2:51:37 AM): if you wanna have a spit with the way I handled things in the past, I'll have a spit at you
LaskaS2Z (2:51:39 AM): so?
LaskaS2Z (2:51:40 AM): who cares?
LaskaS2Z (2:53:15 AM): you dont think i handled things the right way, other people don't blame me at all
Azn Marky Mark (2:53:25 AM): but they also aren't getting all of the facts
LaskaS2Z (2:53:34 AM): you didnt give them all the facts either on your DA
Azn Marky Mark (2:53:44 AM): I didn't have all of the facts when I posted my DA
Azn Marky Mark (2:53:48 AM): i posted what i knew/thought
LaskaS2Z (2:53:59 AM): i posted what i knew/thought
LaskaS2Z (2:54:15 AM): either way, you havent answered my question.. are you ever planning on coming back to leo?
Azn Marky Mark (2:54:20 AM): and you are in the position of an admin; you could've waited until you had confirmed it before banning it
Azn Marky Mark (2:54:21 AM): *us
Azn Marky Mark (2:54:58 AM): not to mention at the time I posted my dA you never gave me reason to believe that I wasn't permabanned
LaskaS2Z (2:55:00 AM): I will behave in the position of a MA the way I see fit. Not the way you fit sorry
Azn Marky Mark (2:55:06 AM): your message made it sound clear I wasn't welcome
Azn Marky Mark (2:55:18 AM): which sounds exactly like a permaban to me
LaskaS2Z (2:55:37 AM): how about the fact.. your account wasnt deleted? your ban was only for a month as it was? if it was a genuine misunderstanding like you said it was, it could have been easily rectified?
Azn Marky Mark (2:56:02 AM): How was I supposed to know my account wasn't deleted when I couldn't log in?
Azn Marky Mark (2:56:11 AM): And Olivia's had taken a couple hours to get cleared
Azn Marky Mark (2:56:17 AM): I know they are done manually, I didn't know how long it would take
LaskaS2Z (2:56:17 AM): you were able to login
LaskaS2Z (2:56:34 AM): hence the ban message coming up instead of a 'incorrect user/pass'
Azn Marky Mark (2:56:49 AM): I didn't know that's what would happen if I were permabanned
Azn Marky Mark (2:57:00 AM): i naturally assumed I'd still get the ban message
LaskaS2Z (2:57:17 AM): either way, it was an assumption
Azn Marky Mark (2:57:36 AM): yes, and I'm free to post assumptions on my own private blog
LaskaS2Z (2:57:55 AM): and im free to post assumptions on my own private site too
LaskaS2Z (2:58:14 AM): now please answer my question
Azn Marky Mark (2:58:16 AM): yes, but this situation extends way past Leo now
Azn Marky Mark (2:58:20 AM): because people are running off with ideas about us
Azn Marky Mark (2:58:23 AM): that we are horribly people
Azn Marky Mark (2:58:27 AM): our reputations are shot to hell
Azn Marky Mark (2:58:36 AM): these are people that appear on other sites that we go to
LaskaS2Z (2:59:06 AM): answer my question plaese.
LaskaS2Z (2:59:08 AM): *please.
Azn Marky Mark (2:59:50 AM): not to mention when Sloth was an admin she was scolded for acting before she knew the facts regarding Nurse's case?
Azn Marky Mark (3:00:06 AM): and not presenting her proof of her offense first?
LaskaS2Z (3:00:16 AM): answer my question.
Azn Marky Mark (3:00:30 AM): you can delete mine, go ahead
Azn Marky Mark (3:00:33 AM): but answer mine please
Azn Marky Mark (3:00:41 AM): i can't tell you if you can delete the other people's
LaskaS2Z (3:01:10 AM): whatever happened with sloth and me has nothing to do with you
Azn Marky Mark (3:03:29 AM): fair enough, I just can't help but notice the parallels
LaskaS2Z (3:05:27 AM): i can't help but notice that you're having a go at me about things you do the exact same.
Azn Marky Mark (3:06:15 AM): but I'm not banning people based on assumptions?
Azn Marky Mark (3:06:22 AM): the things I post in a blog don't directly affect other people
LaskaS2Z (3:06:41 AM): they affect me, peoples opinions on me, etc
Azn Marky Mark (3:07:09 AM): I only posted in my blog what actually happened
Azn Marky Mark (3:07:21 AM): except for the permaban part, but we agreed on that already
Azn Marky Mark (3:07:29 AM): like if you look at the comments, I've only quoted you
LaskaS2Z (3:07:31 AM): no we dont actually
LaskaS2Z (3:07:37 AM): you said you were
LaskaS2Z (3:07:38 AM): you werent
Azn Marky Mark (3:07:52 AM): yes, all i said in my entry waas "I was permabanned", I didn't say anything bad about you
Azn Marky Mark (3:07:56 AM): I didn't rant or rave
Azn Marky Mark (3:07:59 AM): I just said what I thought happened
Azn Marky Mark (3:08:47 AM): so if peple's opinions were affected by it, it was only because they ewre presented with the same exact information i was at the time
LaskaS2Z (3:08:51 AM): so you acted on what you thought, to the best of your knowedge, happened?
LaskaS2Z (3:09:13 AM): that is no different from what i did, so dont act high and mighty about it idiocon, you're no better or worse than me.
Azn Marky Mark (3:09:22 AM): I'm not trying to act high and mighty about it
Azn Marky Mark (3:10:20 AM): but there's a difference because I'm not directly banning anyone for a length of time, I'm just posting things as I see them
Azn Marky Mark (3:10:40 AM): if you posted a board or something ranting and raving about "people talking behind your back" then I think we'd be on the same level
Azn Marky Mark (3:10:45 AM): but you went and banned us before you could confirm this
LaskaS2Z (3:11:04 AM): banned you temporarily, from my own private website.
Azn Marky Mark (3:11:16 AM): temporarily for a month?
Azn Marky Mark (3:11:27 AM): with such a long period of time it was only natural that i was assume it was permaban
LaskaS2Z (3:11:28 AM): yeah, cause dings ban last a month *rolls eyes*
LaskaS2Z (3:11:39 AM): assume.. there's that word again
Azn Marky Mark (3:12:22 AM): but if it was going to be temporary from the beginning without any sort of lasting consequence, why not just go for something shorter? something that more obviously looks like a temporary ban?
LaskaS2Z (3:12:23 AM): i would have been more than happy if it was all a misunderstanding, and you just told me straight out without being a goofball, and I confirmed it and such, and things went back to normal
Azn Marky Mark (3:12:27 AM): one that I would think I could appeal?
LaskaS2Z (3:13:10 AM): you're getting into semantics now
LaskaS2Z (3:13:14 AM): it didnt stop ding
Azn Marky Mark (3:14:32 AM): ding never actually appealed though?
Azn Marky Mark (3:14:48 AM): Sloth went to you of her own accord
Azn Marky Mark (3:14:59 AM): she didn't ask Sloth to do it
LaskaS2Z (3:15:43 AM): i was under the impression she did ask sloth to do it
LaskaS2Z (3:15:53 AM): ah well
Azn Marky Mark (3:15:55 AM): she didn't
LaskaS2Z (3:16:35 AM): you just said that
Azn Marky Mark (3:17:23 AM): yes, I did
LaskaS2Z (3:18:17 AM): for once we agree!
LaskaS2Z signed off at 3:58:56 AM.